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Rothammels Antenna Book ...
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Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
2019-08-01 12:24:07 UTC
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... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.

What a mine of information!

https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book

Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.

Will separate the men from the boys, especially
showing up any who confuse their sideband and
their sidetone.

(What a mistake has been the dumbing down of
the educational standards to get licences, so
flooding the bands with those who are indistinguishable
from CBers in their being only operators and
completely technically ignorant!)

Amateur Radio is not a bums-on-seats game.
brian
2019-08-01 13:14:38 UTC
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Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
The English translation must be different.

Http://pi4oss.ham-radio.ch/hamsoft/Rothammel.pdf

Brian
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Brian Howie
Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
2019-08-01 13:49:13 UTC
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Post by brian
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it  has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
The English translation must be different.
Http://pi4oss.ham-radio.ch/hamsoft/Rothammel.pdf
Yes, the opening chapter is different but then it
does say an updated version.

The main difference is, of course, English!
wicklowham
2019-08-01 14:18:41 UTC
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Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
Post by brian
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it  has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
The English translation must be different.
Http://pi4oss.ham-radio.ch/hamsoft/Rothammel.pdf
Yes, the opening chapter is different but then it
does say an updated version.
The main difference is, of course, English!
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Yes Antennenbuch by Karl Rothammel ,Y21BK is a superb (historic)
reference for amateur radio antennas up to and included the UHF spectrum.
Many moons ago I found a brand new copy of the 10th edition (1984)
printed in the former DDR , at a ralley in PA-land.
It is a real treasure.

Frank , EI7KS
Rob
2019-08-01 15:12:28 UTC
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Post by wicklowham
Yes Antennenbuch by Karl Rothammel ,Y21BK is a superb (historic)
reference for amateur radio antennas up to and included the UHF spectrum.
Many moons ago I found a brand new copy of the 10th edition (1984)
printed in the former DDR , at a ralley in PA-land.
It is a real treasure.
Frank , EI7KS
You should not disclose that this book originated in the DDR, as that
disturbs people's opinion that nothing good ever came out of the
DDR and other communist countries.
Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
2019-08-01 15:45:02 UTC
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Post by Rob
Post by wicklowham
Yes Antennenbuch by Karl Rothammel ,Y21BK is a superb (historic)
reference for amateur radio antennas up to and included the UHF spectrum.
Many moons ago I found a brand new copy of the 10th edition (1984)
printed in the former DDR , at a ralley in PA-land.
It is a real treasure.
Frank , EI7KS
You should not disclose that this book originated in the DDR, as that
disturbs people's opinion that nothing good ever came out of the
DDR and other communist countries.
What did the Romans ever do for us???????? :-)
Stephen Cole
2019-08-01 15:58:29 UTC
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Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
Post by Rob
Post by wicklowham
Yes Antennenbuch by Karl Rothammel ,Y21BK is a superb (historic)
reference for amateur radio antennas up to and included the UHF spectrum.
Many moons ago I found a brand new copy of the 10th edition (1984)
printed in the former DDR , at a ralley in PA-land.
It is a real treasure.
Frank , EI7KS
You should not disclose that this book originated in the DDR, as that
disturbs people's opinion that nothing good ever came out of the
DDR and other communist countries.
What did the Romans ever do for us???????? :-)
Evanes eunt domus!
--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Roger Hayter
2019-08-01 13:59:14 UTC
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Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
Will separate the men from the boys, especially
showing up any who confuse their sideband and
their sidetone.
(What a mistake has been the dumbing down of
the educational standards to get licences, so
flooding the bands with those who are indistinguishable
from CBers in their being only operators and
completely technically ignorant!)
Amateur Radio is not a bums-on-seats game.
Whatever the demerits of the current progessive licence scheme, I don't
think the level of technical knowledge or maths in the RAE was ever
particularly high. There was really no golden age.
--
Roger Hayter
Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
2019-08-01 14:21:56 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
Will separate the men from the boys, especially
showing up any who confuse their sideband and
their sidetone.
(What a mistake has been the dumbing down of
the educational standards to get licences, so
flooding the bands with those who are indistinguishable
from CBers in their being only operators and
completely technically ignorant!)
Amateur Radio is not a bums-on-seats game.
Whatever the demerits of the current progessive licence scheme, I don't
think the level of technical knowledge or maths in the RAE was ever
particularly high. There was really no golden age.
I've never used the term golden age, but the addendum to the RSGB
handbook in 1941 had mathematics up to what was the GCE standard
of, say 50 years ago.
Roger Hayter
2019-08-01 14:32:15 UTC
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Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
Will separate the men from the boys, especially
showing up any who confuse their sideband and
their sidetone.
(What a mistake has been the dumbing down of
the educational standards to get licences, so
flooding the bands with those who are indistinguishable
from CBers in their being only operators and
completely technically ignorant!)
Amateur Radio is not a bums-on-seats game.
Whatever the demerits of the current progessive licence scheme, I don't
think the level of technical knowledge or maths in the RAE was ever
particularly high. There was really no golden age.
I've never used the term golden age, but the addendum to the RSGB
handbook in 1941 had mathematics up to what was the GCE standard
of, say 50 years ago.
That's not the RAE. There are certainly amateurs of all ages currently
who share your advanced level of mathematical ability, and there always
were. But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters. Amateur radio has always attracted a broad spectrum
of interests.
--
Roger Hayter
Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
2019-08-01 14:42:38 UTC
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...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.

Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
Roger Hayter
2019-08-02 08:01:00 UTC
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Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
--
Roger Hayter
Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
2019-08-02 08:09:53 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
As you so rightly say, the CBer-masquerading-as-a-radio-amateur
is not a new phenomenon.

Operating is not a skill nor something to be knowledgeable about, else
5-year-old kiddies would be unable to use their mobile phones.
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2019-08-02 08:14:03 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
Roger Hayter
2019-08-02 08:28:24 UTC
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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
It leaves you making your own choices, which are really no-one else's
business; but it does make some of your criiitcisms of others looking
a shade hypocritical, though.
--
Roger Hayter
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2019-08-02 08:42:43 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
It leaves you making your own choices, which are really no-one else's
business; but it does make some of your criiitcisms of others looking
a shade hypocritical, though.
I would like to know what criticisms you mean.....please share I won't
get annoyed .....honest
Roger Hayter
2019-08-02 10:00:16 UTC
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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
It leaves you making your own choices, which are really no-one else's
business; but it does make some of your criiitcisms of others looking
a shade hypocritical, though.
I would like to know what criticisms you mean.....please share I won't
get annoyed .....honest
FL too easy? People not doing morse?
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Roger Hayter
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2019-08-02 10:11:27 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
It leaves you making your own choices, which are really no-one else's
business; but it does make some of your criiitcisms of others looking
a shade hypocritical, though.
I would like to know what criticisms you mean.....please share I won't
get annoyed .....honest
FL too easy?
well it must be ...so tell me why did the 11m pirates that couldn't do
the RAE in around 1981 have wait until the fl to get on ham radio? .....


People not doing morse?


that was their choice and I never complained about it until the FL and
7000 class Bs got what the wanted all the time and that was HF......

you can't argue with facts as demonstrated ......
Stephen Cole
2019-08-02 14:31:05 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
It leaves you making your own choices, which are really no-one else's
business; but it does make some of your criiitcisms of others looking
a shade hypocritical, though.
I would like to know what criticisms you mean.....please share I won't
get annoyed .....honest
FL too easy? People not doing morse?
Don’t forget Jim’s endless moaning about people reporting his stalking to
the police, but then he went and stitched up Paul with those recordings.
What a snitching hypocrite.
--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2019-08-02 15:25:59 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
It leaves you making your own choices, which are really no-one else's
business; but it does make some of your criiitcisms of others looking
a shade hypocritical, though.
I would like to know what criticisms you mean.....please share I won't
get annoyed .....honest
FL too easy? People not doing morse?
Don’t forget Jim’s endless moaning about people reporting his stalking to
the police, but then he went and stitched up Paul with those recordings.
What a snitching hypocrite.
feeble

Jim GM4DHJ ...
2019-08-02 08:40:36 UTC
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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration.    But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical.   Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory.   So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
I will answer that,,,in the 80's I converted a DNT cb to 10m with new
xtals and a re-tune then I converted a cybernet 3000 with a spectrum
board and opening up the cans and removing the caps and a re-tune ....in
the 70's and 80's I built various heathkits.......in 1975 I fitted a
triple LLL clipper to the board of my ft101mk1 not just to the octal
socket in the back panel like the mk2 and B models....quite a
risk...built a europa 2m transverter into an ft101 speaker
cabinet...farted about with antennas.....did mostly mobile HF operating
as I do to this day..I don't do ham radio to impress anybody but to
please myself...I love all things radio from LW to 2m and know what is
good equipment antennas and test gear and what is not..I never went for
the class B as it was HF I wanted.......what I couldn't stand and what
put me off electronics and computers was the class B guru type who
worked in the industry and tried to lord it over us pure hobbyists and I
never let them do it .....I think my problem is I love radio but I
dislike most radio amateurs...also my romanticised vision of being a
radio ham has never materialised.....sad but true ....still looking for
it .....and it ain't to be found in building things in my
case......could be worse I could have ended up like reay or cole.....
Roger Hayter
2019-08-02 10:00:16 UTC
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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
I will answer that,,,in the 80's I converted a DNT cb to 10m with new
xtals and a re-tune then I converted a cybernet 3000 with a spectrum
board and opening up the cans and removing the caps and a re-tune ....in
the 70's and 80's I built various heathkits.......in 1975 I fitted a
triple LLL clipper to the board of my ft101mk1 not just to the octal
socket in the back panel like the mk2 and B models....quite a
risk...built a europa 2m transverter into an ft101 speaker
cabinet...farted about with antennas.....did mostly mobile HF operating
as I do to this day..I don't do ham radio to impress anybody but to
please myself...I love all things radio from LW to 2m and know what is
good equipment antennas and test gear and what is not..I never went for
the class B as it was HF I wanted.......what I couldn't stand and what
put me off electronics and computers was the class B guru type who
worked in the industry and tried to lord it over us pure hobbyists
That's because they are that kind of people, not because they are
elecronic professionals. There are a good few people like that who are
not electronics professionals.
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
and I
never let them do it .....I think my problem is I love radio but I
dislike most radio amateurs...also my romanticised vision of being a
radio ham has never materialised.....sad but true ....still looking for
it .....and it ain't to be found in building things in my
case......could be worse I could have ended up like reay or cole.....
--
Roger Hayter
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2019-08-02 10:13:56 UTC
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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration. But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical. Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory. So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
I will answer that,,,in the 80's I converted a DNT cb to 10m with new
xtals and a re-tune then I converted a cybernet 3000 with a spectrum
board and opening up the cans and removing the caps and a re-tune ....in
the 70's and 80's I built various heathkits.......in 1975 I fitted a
triple LLL clipper to the board of my ft101mk1 not just to the octal
socket in the back panel like the mk2 and B models....quite a
risk...built a europa 2m transverter into an ft101 speaker
cabinet...farted about with antennas.....did mostly mobile HF operating
as I do to this day..I don't do ham radio to impress anybody but to
please myself...I love all things radio from LW to 2m and know what is
good equipment antennas and test gear and what is not..I never went for
the class B as it was HF I wanted.......what I couldn't stand and what
put me off electronics and computers was the class B guru type who
worked in the industry and tried to lord it over us pure hobbyists
That's because they are that kind of people, not because they are
elecronic professionals. There are a good few people like that who are
not electronics professionals.
yes those are the good guys .....
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
and I
never let them do it .....I think my problem is I love radio but I
dislike most radio amateurs...also my romanticised vision of being a
radio ham has never materialised.....sad but true ....still looking for
it .....and it ain't to be found in building things in my
case......could be worse I could have ended up like reay or cole.....
Brian Reay
2019-08-02 10:13:45 UTC
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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration.    But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical.   Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory.   So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
I will answer that,,,in the 80's I converted a DNT cb to 10m with new
xtals and a re-tune then I converted a cybernet 3000 with a spectrum
board and opening up the cans and removing the caps and a re-tune ....in
the 70's and 80's I built various heathkits.......in 1975 I fitted a
triple LLL clipper to the board of my ft101mk1 not just to the octal
socket in the back panel like the mk2 and B models....quite a
risk...built a europa 2m transverter into an ft101 speaker
cabinet...
You expect use to believe that when you couldn’t see that trailer cable
wasn’t suitable for connecting to a DIN plug?
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2019-08-02 10:16:31 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
...But equally you could pass the RAE and become an excellent and
popullar radio amateur fifty years ago while not knowing a great about
technical matters.
Untrue, dangerously so.
Amateur radio has always been a technical pursuit; the operator's hobby
is CB Radio, and on the amateur bands are a large number of
CBers masquerading as radio amateurs.
That is no doubt what you would like to be true, and I have a lot of
sympathy with that aspiration.    But it is not in fact true, and there
were always, at least since the 1960s which is what I know about, a
large number of amateurs interested in operating (and often highly
skilled and knowledgable about it) and not particularly interested in
anything technical.   Equally, a lot copied circuits without being much
interested in the theory.   So I simply do not agree with you about the
facts, as opposed to preferences.
I do very little selective operating and I am not interested in
electronics or computing so where does that leave me ? ....
I will answer that,,,in the 80's I converted a DNT cb to 10m with new
xtals and a re-tune then I converted a cybernet 3000 with a spectrum
board and opening up the cans and removing the caps and a re-tune ....in
the 70's and 80's I built various heathkits.......in 1975 I fitted a
triple LLL clipper to the board of my ft101mk1 not just to the octal
socket in the back panel like the mk2 and B models....quite a
risk...built a europa 2m transverter into an ft101 speaker
cabinet...
You expect use to believe that when you couldn’t see that trailer cable
wasn’t suitable for connecting to a DIN plug?
I did when I brought the two together......thought trial and error was
what it was all about? .....you thought up on DIY you could just remove
a compressed olive from copper ...... tee hee
wicklowham
2019-08-01 14:46:01 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
Will separate the men from the boys, especially
showing up any who confuse their sideband and
their sidetone.
(What a mistake has been the dumbing down of
the educational standards to get licences, so
flooding the bands with those who are indistinguishable
from CBers in their being only operators and
completely technically ignorant!)
Amateur Radio is not a bums-on-seats game.
Whatever the demerits of the current progessive licence scheme, I don't
think the level of technical knowledge or maths in the RAE was ever
particularly high. There was really no golden age.
===========
We are talking about "Amateur Radio" ....a hobby , in the past perhaps
more of a "self-doing- hands-on " activity , but still a hobby . Does
this hobby really requires a HIGH level of technical and math knowledge ?

In our now increasingly software related world the younger generation
of radio amateurs is possibly more involved in tech and math,(be it not
a licence requirement), hence many Foundation /Intermediate licensees
might not go for the FULL licence for DX certificates, contests and the
like ,but go for digital comms including DMR ,Fusion etc and satellite
comms.

We (oldies) need to accept we all live in a rapidly changing world .

Frank , EI7KS
Stephen Cole
2019-08-01 15:13:07 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
Will separate the men from the boys, especially
showing up any who confuse their sideband and
their sidetone.
(What a mistake has been the dumbing down of
the educational standards to get licences, so
flooding the bands with those who are indistinguishable
from CBers in their being only operators and
completely technically ignorant!)
Amateur Radio is not a bums-on-seats game.
Whatever the demerits of the current progessive licence scheme, I don't
think the level of technical knowledge or maths in the RAE was ever
particularly high. There was really no golden age.
The fact that thick-as-pigshit Frank Hunter GI4NKB passed the fucker proves
your point.
--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Spike
2019-08-01 16:39:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer
... has been translated into English, and my copy, all 1600
pges of it has just arrived after
being highly recommended on the GQRP Yahoo discussion group.
What a mine of information!
https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
Apparently everything that you'll ever need or want to
know about antennae for amateur service, but probably
way over the head of anyone who came in through the
route of the Fools' (AKA Foundation) Licence as it
very quickly summarises Maxwell's Equations and
the Poynting Vector.
Will separate the men from the boys, especially
showing up any who confuse their sideband and
their sidetone.
(What a mistake has been the dumbing down of
the educational standards to get licences, so
flooding the bands with those who are indistinguishable
from CBers in their being only operators and
completely technically ignorant!)
Amateur Radio is not a bums-on-seats game.
Whatever the demerits of the current progressive licence scheme, I don't
think the level of technical knowledge or maths in the RAE was ever
particularly high. There was really no golden age.
MRDA

And in another blow to your modern Fulls. M3s, morse-dodgers and their
hangers-on, the German version of the book has plenty of references to
'wellen'. So it must be rubbish according to them...
--
Spike
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